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gwen: let's talk about the trend lines. the president can still claim 31 months of unsbrurmented job growth but mitt romney just made that point about how if different things were true this would be 11%. does he have a point? >> well, you can take statistics and play with them all you want. yes, if people weren't leaving, if people weren't dropping out of the job search process then there would be more people in it. ok. but what's important is the number. and the number is good for obama in the psychological way and also if you look historically. what we've just been through in the past year is one of the -- the changes are tiny, but one of the longest declines in the unemployment rate since 1984, so that's a very good trend for the president and public opinion polls have been sending these mixed signals. the most recent "wall street journal" poll had the wrong track number sky high, 60%. but of those who felt like the economy was improving and would continue to get better, it was like 54%. so something has been going on ou
gwen: let's talk about the trend lines. the president can still claim 31 months of unsbrurmented job growth but mitt romney just made that point about how if different things were true this would be 11%. does he have a point? >> well, you can take statistics and play with them all you want. yes, if people weren't leaving, if people weren't dropping out of the job search process then there would be more people in it. ok. but what's important is the number. and the number is good for obama...
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every month. >> and sam, when you talk to the obama campaign, the particular way they see the voters who are going to side with them, or at least a lot of them practically swing voters, is what they believe, as alice said, we have a very deep hole to dig out of. we're not there but we're doing as good as we can expect to be doing. and there's been there important psychological barrier of 8%. does getting underneath that barrier to 7.8% really do much for president obama's talking point, that we have come a long way and now voters should let him finish the job, or do these kind of changes in numbers matter in washington but they're not what voters see around them so they're kind of a story here but not actually in the campaign. >> first of all i'm glad you asked alice the economic question and left me with the political stuff. she's much more better equipped to do that. i think it's a psychological motivator for a lot of people, especially for the campaign itself. we did a video mash up of all the times mitt romney talked about how the president failed to get the unemployment rate bel
every month. >> and sam, when you talk to the obama campaign, the particular way they see the voters who are going to side with them, or at least a lot of them practically swing voters, is what they believe, as alice said, we have a very deep hole to dig out of. we're not there but we're doing as good as we can expect to be doing. and there's been there important psychological barrier of 8%. does getting underneath that barrier to 7.8% really do much for president obama's talking point,...
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those who are either not going to vote or are supporting president obama. so i think you have got a pool of swing voters out there who are actually doing better right now in this economy than many people. >> let us talk about entitlements. >> if you are 60 or older, you do not need to listen any further. but for younger people, we need to talk about what changes will be occurring. >> if you are 54 or 55, you may want to listen. this will affect you. >> this was the debate over congressman ryan's plan to turn medicare into a voucher program. when it comes to social security, the president says it needs to be tweaked, that medicare needs some serious attention. colby, we have been bellyaching about entitlements for years. ryan has a plan to do something about it, so what is the problem? >> he would, in effect, turn medicare into a voucher program. the president touched on it but did not stay with it, allowed romney to get away with it. the voucher program would cause people to have to then take a chunk of change, credit from the government, and go out and buy
those who are either not going to vote or are supporting president obama. so i think you have got a pool of swing voters out there who are actually doing better right now in this economy than many people. >> let us talk about entitlements. >> if you are 60 or older, you do not need to listen any further. but for younger people, we need to talk about what changes will be occurring. >> if you are 54 or 55, you may want to listen. this will affect you. >> this was the...
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>> he did both of those, went right at the obama record and something the president declined to talk about himself and went deep on his tax policy and his health policy, so he put some entirely new baseline for the election. >> paul: kim, there are a lot of republicans were willing to start writing off mitt romney if he didn't do welcome. i mean, there really were. and they were worried that his fund raising might fall off and there would be a big problem. so, is there new momentum, new optimism on the republican side? >> no worries about the fund raising dropping off now, i tell you that. i mean, you have not seen this much enthusiasm for mitt romney since he's ever run, going back to 2008. but i think because he went out there and talked about ideas, this is what the republicans have been arguing he needed to do all along because you can't say it's a choice you've got to prove it's a choice. that's what he did in denver. the most important thing he did, he explained the choices very clearly. he talked about things like growth versus tax hikes, about free market health care versus o
>> he did both of those, went right at the obama record and something the president declined to talk about himself and went deep on his tax policy and his health policy, so he put some entirely new baseline for the election. >> paul: kim, there are a lot of republicans were willing to start writing off mitt romney if he didn't do welcome. i mean, there really were. and they were worried that his fund raising might fall off and there would be a big problem. so, is there new momentum,...
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nobody thinks that president obama is going to steal an election on trumpeting unemployment. it is still a high number. and it forces the administration that will be leveled against him. >> eliot: let's talk politics. wednesday night mitt romney had the best day of his campaign. head to head against the president, and the president was not performing up to par not what we expect of him as a communicator, what we expect, articulating is what he's all about. suddenly the winds have been taken out of the sails of mitt romney a little bit, the data, the real data, there are so many things that ever three of us do is not there to substantiate his claim. what can he now do to say i really do have an engine of growth that i am going to start. >> he can't use that 8.1%, it matters a little bit. what he said today is what he'll continue to say. it's not good enough, fast enough and there are a few things that i think i can do to make it grow faster. but it's harder to make the case that obama has failed entirely on the economy when obviously we're at better place creating jobs, 5 mill
nobody thinks that president obama is going to steal an election on trumpeting unemployment. it is still a high number. and it forces the administration that will be leveled against him. >> eliot: let's talk politics. wednesday night mitt romney had the best day of his campaign. head to head against the president, and the president was not performing up to par not what we expect of him as a communicator, what we expect, articulating is what he's all about. suddenly the winds have been...
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to be a great president. >> and talking about his music and his love life. oh, yes, and we sing a duet. ♪ islands in the stream ♪ that is what we are >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> we begin with tonight's big story with just 32 days before the election, the new jobs report numbers are out and they are shaking up the race again. the unemployment rate fell to 7.8%, the lowest since january 2009, when president obama was inaugurated. he is hoping the new numbers will bring him a second term. he and governor romney know the election's all about the economy and both men were trading jabs today in the battleground state of virginia. >> today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> when i'm president of the united states, that employment rate is going to come down not because people are giving up and dropping out of the work force, but because we're creating more jobs. i will create jobs and get america working again. >> let
to be a great president. >> and talking about his music and his love life. oh, yes, and we sing a duet. ♪ islands in the stream ♪ that is what we are >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> we begin with tonight's big story with just 32 days before the election, the new jobs report numbers are out and they are shaking up the race again. the unemployment rate fell to 7.8%, the lowest since january 2009, when president obama was inaugurated. he is hoping the new...
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about the issue in his debate with president obama. conservatives and liberals are calling for a move to moral economy. for republicans cutting spend democrats it is asking the rich to pay more. governor mike huckabee joins us live . great to have you here. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, uma. >> i know it is an important issue. why do you feel morality and the economy are linked . >> some people call it generational theft and that is accurate description and if you steal from somebody that is a moral issue. that's what we are doing. we are stealing from the generation that is coming after us. we are spending money they will have to pay back on our behalf . we get the benefit and they get the burden. that is immoral and wrong to do that and that is what the huge 16 trillion debt represents. >> are you concerned about the current state of affairs is accepted by some as the new norpal? >> i am uma . let me be fair. this is not just something democrats created but republicans have done. republicans boast they don't raise taxes. th
about the issue in his debate with president obama. conservatives and liberals are calling for a move to moral economy. for republicans cutting spend democrats it is asking the rich to pay more. governor mike huckabee joins us live . great to have you here. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, uma. >> i know it is an important issue. why do you feel morality and the economy are linked . >> some people call it generational theft and that is accurate description and if you...
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it's the lowest since obama was inaugerated. both candidates trading jabz tod das jabs today in the battleground state of va vachlt. >> today's news is certainly not an excuse to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. [ applause ] >> when i'm president of the united states -- [ applause ] >> -- that unemployment rate is going to come down, not because people are giving up and dropping out of the work force, but because we're creating more jobs. i will create more jobs and get america working again. >> let's get right to tonight's big story. we're with john mccain, former presidential candidate, and he joins me now. welcome to you, senator. >> thank you, piers. >> when it comes to the debate, you were one of the only people, actually, who has debated both barack obama and mitt romney, so you are in a unique place to tell me what you made of both of their performance. whatever way you spin this from the republican side, the job front has to be goo
it's the lowest since obama was inaugerated. both candidates trading jabz tod das jabs today in the battleground state of va vachlt. >> today's news is certainly not an excuse to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. [ applause ] >> when i'm president of the united states -- [ applause ] >> -- that unemployment rate is going to come down, not because people are giving up and dropping out of...
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now you're talking well over 50% at the national level. when you break that down even further what you're looking at is near 70% in the democratic party. maybe even higher now. now that obama's come out for it. that affected the democratic coalition. independents, 57%. again, this is before obama's announcement. it's only in the republican party down at 22%. that's what's keeping the overall number in the low to mid 50s. outside the republican party this is basically a settled issue. so what you're seeing now, that means when you put it in a blue state, maine clearly blue, washington clearly blue, maryland clearly blue. the odds are very good that this thing is going to pass comfortably. minnesota we think of as a blue state but it is actually, as it gets closer, three, four, five point win for democrats commonly there, a lot more social conservatives there so it is not surprising it me it's a little closer than minnesota but i think we're at the point where if this goes on the ballot in a blue state it passes. in a swing state it could pa
now you're talking well over 50% at the national level. when you break that down even further what you're looking at is near 70% in the democratic party. maybe even higher now. now that obama's come out for it. that affected the democratic coalition. independents, 57%. again, this is before obama's announcement. it's only in the republican party down at 22%. that's what's keeping the overall number in the low to mid 50s. outside the republican party this is basically a settled issue. so what...
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then there was this from conservative talk radio host laura ingram. quote, jobs numbers from labor secretary hilda solis are total pro obama propaganda. just looking on twitter you could see the ground swell on the right that they were going to build their own iran-ternet on this. forget the real world they were going to build their own private world that made them happier. the real internet is inconvenient. we will have our own. the real facts are not accepted. we will have our own. time for fresh fact. you could see the ground swell building for this on the right first online but then of course where it fully blossomed was on cable news. >> oh, how convenient that the rate dropped below 8% for the first time in 43 months five weeks before an election. that's why there is some mistrust of these numbers. >> i told you they'd get it under 8%. they did. >> a great argument. >> you can let america decide how they got it there. >> some people will be very cynical a government number will come out this great on the eve of the election. i'll make a guarante
then there was this from conservative talk radio host laura ingram. quote, jobs numbers from labor secretary hilda solis are total pro obama propaganda. just looking on twitter you could see the ground swell on the right that they were going to build their own iran-ternet on this. forget the real world they were going to build their own private world that made them happier. the real internet is inconvenient. we will have our own. the real facts are not accepted. we will have our own. time for...
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but when we talk about it more and when they find out more about who todd akin is, they say "well, i don't like him either." and a non-vote is pretty much an assistance to claire. >> ifill: but after akin refused to get out of the race-- and as national republicans began to worry the missouri seat might cost them control of the senate -- some akin critics, including senator roy blunt, have returned to the fold. still, the party rift remains. former republican senator john danforth, a force in the st. louis community, said he would rather write in a candidate than support akin. >> i can understand their position. i mean, it's like counting apples. you know, they're saying, "well, we need 50 or 51 in the senate and he's one person who's competing for a seat." but i see him as the apple that spoils the barrel. i mean, that's the way i look at akin. i think that he really hurts the republican brand and he damages the party nationally, and that it's very important for republicans to say no. >> ifill: akin says he'll settle for support from republicans out of state, including former presid
but when we talk about it more and when they find out more about who todd akin is, they say "well, i don't like him either." and a non-vote is pretty much an assistance to claire. >> ifill: but after akin refused to get out of the race-- and as national republicans began to worry the missouri seat might cost them control of the senate -- some akin critics, including senator roy blunt, have returned to the fold. still, the party rift remains. former republican senator john...
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we'll talk to the obama campaign's vice chair, jan schakowsky. >>> topping our political headlines, mitt romney is out with a new podcast this afternoon, in which he attacks president obama over his debate performance. >> president obama could not defend his record. he offered no new ideas for how to fix the economy. i welcome the chance to share my vision for renewed prosperity and opportunity and i think it compared quite favorably to president obama's policy for big, trickle-down government. >> this past hour, mitt romney's son, josh, met with reporters in the swing state of virginia. it's part of a day-long effort the campaign is calling super saturday, with volunteers going door to door in battleground states. president obama has no public events today. he will head to california tomorrow, where he is expected to tout the new jobs number, 7.8%, and some big fund-raising numbers out today. president obama and the democrats raised $181 million in september, the highest single-month total so far. more on all these stories throughout the next two hours. >>> the campaign focus shifts a b
we'll talk to the obama campaign's vice chair, jan schakowsky. >>> topping our political headlines, mitt romney is out with a new podcast this afternoon, in which he attacks president obama over his debate performance. >> president obama could not defend his record. he offered no new ideas for how to fix the economy. i welcome the chance to share my vision for renewed prosperity and opportunity and i think it compared quite favorably to president obama's policy for big,...
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administration failed. >> jamie: doug and angela, have a great saturday and always good to talk to you. we're just five days away from the first and only debate between the vice-presidential candidates and interesting debate between joe biden and paul ryan will cover both foreign and domestic policy on thursday, october 11th and we will have live coverage and analysis beginning at 8:55 p.m. eastern. don't miss it. . >> new details revealed in the death of u.s. border patrol agent nicholas ivie, fbi officials now saying friendly fire was likely to blame near the arizona-mexico border. investigators say they're still looking into the case for definitive answers, meanwhile, homeland security secretary janet napolitano making a trip to nicholas' homes and expressing condolences and joining her on the trip. the border patrol commander says that nicholas ivie died a true hero. >> investigators have made progress into the investigation, into agent ivy's death and are looking into the possibility that it was a tragic accident. the result of friendly fire. i explained to agent ivie's family tha
administration failed. >> jamie: doug and angela, have a great saturday and always good to talk to you. we're just five days away from the first and only debate between the vice-presidential candidates and interesting debate between joe biden and paul ryan will cover both foreign and domestic policy on thursday, october 11th and we will have live coverage and analysis beginning at 8:55 p.m. eastern. don't miss it. . >> new details revealed in the death of u.s. border patrol agent...
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>> yes. >> remember we talked about obama being in control in the beginning. that's the primacy effect and there's a recency effect at the end of the debate, the last thing a viewer remembers and it's very interesting. romney didn't want to leave the stage. kept staying and stretching it out. >> enjoying the moment. >> he wanted to be the last visual that we had of i won this debate. he just revelled in it and stayed and stayed and stayed, and obama left. >> what about obama's body language at the end though, did he seem -- he seemed to be sort of hunched over a little bit. >> he did. i thought that was very interesting. again, i do feel like he realized he didn't do well, and there was a point, even in his closing statements, where you felt like he'd given up. he was so weary at that close, and he didn't do what i wanted him to do and that's look straight at that camera and make that appeal. >> right. >> so the next debate will be in a town hall setting. do you think we'll see different sort of body language. >> interested to see if romney can keep up his ene
>> yes. >> remember we talked about obama being in control in the beginning. that's the primacy effect and there's a recency effect at the end of the debate, the last thing a viewer remembers and it's very interesting. romney didn't want to leave the stage. kept staying and stretching it out. >> enjoying the moment. >> he wanted to be the last visual that we had of i won this debate. he just revelled in it and stayed and stayed and stayed, and obama left. >> what...
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but is still a massive amount of money, last night, talking to the romney campaign and the big fund-raising dollars the obama campaign was putting up, romney staffers smiled as if to suggest they might top it. >> arthel: and also a statement, romney pushing his tax policy, this weekend, right? >> reporter: of course in the wake of the debate in which the romney campaign it really defined the race, a choice between a dependency society with rising taxes that could hurt the recovery, versus the romney agenda which could cut taxes and rely fully on a smaller government and individual responsibility and entrepreneurial spirit and the romney campaign is attacking ever harder. here's a sample from last night. >> it has been calculated his tax plan raising taxes will cost 700,000 jobs. i will not raise taxes on small business and not raise taxes on middle income families. >> reporter: he will spend a little more time in florida and campaign here tomorrow and he has been doing a bit of debate prep with rob portman, the senator from ohio and his debate sparring... playing the role of mr. obama and,
but is still a massive amount of money, last night, talking to the romney campaign and the big fund-raising dollars the obama campaign was putting up, romney staffers smiled as if to suggest they might top it. >> arthel: and also a statement, romney pushing his tax policy, this weekend, right? >> reporter: of course in the wake of the debate in which the romney campaign it really defined the race, a choice between a dependency society with rising taxes that could hurt the recovery,...
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i mean, all the reviews from the debate has been so negative for president obama. and this just automatically changed the subject. at 8:30 yesterday morning we stopped talk thing about the debates and started talking about improvement in the jobless numbers >> yes. david with respect to the conspiracy theorists out there, mitt romney is not latched onto all threat rick. but could all this talk, this talk, could it damage him in the long run? i mean, in some ways all it does is just highlight the fact we're talking below 8%. >> absolutely, alex. i think that the romney campaign didn't respond to that because they don't want to be anywhere near it. even some conservatives quickly denounced those remarks, that tweet by jack welch. and i think that frankly for the obama administration those people who believe jack welch are not going to vote for president obama, anyway. and i think actually it's probably going to go away fairly quickly just because the romney campaign doesn't want to really touch this. >> the fact that he has to talking about mitt romney has to drop hi
i mean, all the reviews from the debate has been so negative for president obama. and this just automatically changed the subject. at 8:30 yesterday morning we stopped talk thing about the debates and started talking about improvement in the jobless numbers >> yes. david with respect to the conspiracy theorists out there, mitt romney is not latched onto all threat rick. but could all this talk, this talk, could it damage him in the long run? i mean, in some ways all it does is just...
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subtitle ragse demagoguery from the 1970's to obama. is we will talk to her about that. the starting point is two days after this debate, where do you think the presidential race is right now? >> i think mitt romney is looking very good. that's why the obama administration didn't want to run against mitt romney. he was clearly the most threatening of the republican candidates. i think he's the strongest candidate against obama. it's very hard to take out an incumbent. it's only happened at least republicans have only done it one time before in the last 100 years. when reagan beat carter. i guess isn't last time it's happened, when clinton took out bush. so it's curious, for example, that there were 70 million viewers of that debate the other night. the highest it's been since 1992, last time an incumbent was taken out. and i think that's because people are uncomfortable with obama. but if they're not political nuts, like we are, they haven't been paying attention, haven't been watching all of the debates. and they just want to see who the challenger is and whether they'r
subtitle ragse demagoguery from the 1970's to obama. is we will talk to her about that. the starting point is two days after this debate, where do you think the presidential race is right now? >> i think mitt romney is looking very good. that's why the obama administration didn't want to run against mitt romney. he was clearly the most threatening of the republican candidates. i think he's the strongest candidate against obama. it's very hard to take out an incumbent. it's only happened...
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, who's been buried under obama leadership. then he promised a trillion-dollar tax increase a couple of days ago. we want more biden as republicans. more biden. >> don't underestimate joe biden and his decades of serving washington and knowing washington. paul ryan, i wish you the best of luck. >> and joe biden is a great man and we wish him well, and we hope he keeps talking a lot. >> that's your "morning joe" political wrap. >> and you can catch joe and mika weekdays at 6:00 a.m. eastern. with more now, here's lester. >>> they mentioned the latest unemployment numbers. is the economy really recovering? we're here with audio look inside the numbers. help me understand this now. the actual number of jobs added in september was not a huge increase, but we still saw this drop of the overall rate to 7.8%. how does that work? >> two big things. first of all, 86,000 more jobs were added in july and august together than originally expected. august had those dismal statistics that made president obama look not so great in his recovery
, who's been buried under obama leadership. then he promised a trillion-dollar tax increase a couple of days ago. we want more biden as republicans. more biden. >> don't underestimate joe biden and his decades of serving washington and knowing washington. paul ryan, i wish you the best of luck. >> and joe biden is a great man and we wish him well, and we hope he keeps talking a lot. >> that's your "morning joe" political wrap. >> and you can catch joe and mika...
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isn't it a surprise when he seem actually talking about obama and he still has his close on? you know, back in college used to have this acronym of the screen i when there there was a lot of pda, public display of affection in our dorm. it would be get a room, gir. i am always screaming at the television when chris mathews is speaking. back on july 17, all christmas banning himself, once again. >> this guy's done everything right previews raised his family right, fight his way to the top of the harvard law review and a blind test becomes a top editor there. everything he has done as clean as a whistle. he's never broken a law comment on it or want from a perfect father american and all they do is crash the guy. >> so that is the bar now been set for the presidency. he hasn't broken any law. okay, i think we all can accept the nomination for presidency. look, the only trashing that has been done over the last three and a half years is to our economy and to our international stature and that has been done by this president. and actually, chris, i personally have complimented pr
isn't it a surprise when he seem actually talking about obama and he still has his close on? you know, back in college used to have this acronym of the screen i when there there was a lot of pda, public display of affection in our dorm. it would be get a room, gir. i am always screaming at the television when chris mathews is speaking. back on july 17, all christmas banning himself, once again. >> this guy's done everything right previews raised his family right, fight his way to the top...
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is talking here. he is talking about tax loopholes. let's watch the dials. >> i also want to close those loopholes that are giving incentives for companies shipping jobs overseas, i want to provide tax breaks for companies here in the united states. on energy, governor romney and i both agree we have got to boost american energy production and oil and natural gas production are higher than they have been in years. >> so you saw there again a steep incline about what was it closing the loopholes the doe domestic production? >> yeah. wal-mart moms really respond -- they responded well to what the president said. it's important to note while mitt romney had a better night than obama. it wasn't that the moms just tuned out whenever the president spoke. he this current out to a lot of of what he had to say we just watched or how the country is stronger when we have a strong personal class. when he told his own story. there was a lot that mom connected to. there is a lot what is going it happen in the in co
is talking here. he is talking about tax loopholes. let's watch the dials. >> i also want to close those loopholes that are giving incentives for companies shipping jobs overseas, i want to provide tax breaks for companies here in the united states. on energy, governor romney and i both agree we have got to boost american energy production and oil and natural gas production are higher than they have been in years. >> so you saw there again a steep incline about what was it closing...